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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 6:12:07 PM
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Anyway, if you wish to mark those who have differing beliefs regarding a biblical text or two or two hundred as not being a 'real' Christian that's up to you. So who decides, KZ, which one of those 200 texts really don't apply to essential Christian doctrine?
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 6:18:48 PM
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Or maybe misunderstood..... 
Anyway, if you wish to mark those who have differing beliefs regarding a biblical text or two or two hundred as not being a 'real' Christian that's up to you.
The Bible is my reference. Sorry that I haven't let the influence of the world sway me. Maybe you're right, maybe everything Jesus said was misunderstood. I mean, come on!! That guy strut around claiming to be the Son of God!!
Seriously though, Jesus wasn't the type of guy to be misunderstood. He didn't say, "I may be the truth and the life and your probability of reaching God has a higher chance through me."
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 6:31:39 PM
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Many, many Christians do not believe that every event in the Bible is literally 'the way it happened'. Nor do they believe it is necessary to believe so to be a Christian. Well, that's a perfect example of circular reasoning! "Some Christians do not believe every historical event in Scipture is accurately recorded but some Christians do not think Scriptural inerrancy is essential to their faith, so they can still be Christians and not believe every historical event in Scipture is accurately recorded".
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Some Christian do believe that every event in Scripture is accurately recorded, but some think that Scriptural inerrancy is essential to their faith so they think they can only be 'real' Christians if they believe every historical event in Scripture is accurately recorded.
Oh, the circles our faith takes us in! 
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 6:38:53 PM
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KaptZ
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Anyway, if you wish to mark those who have differing beliefs regarding a biblical text or two or two hundred as not being a 'real' Christian that's up to you. So who decides, KZ, which one of those 200 texts really don't apply to essential Christian doctrine?
You do. For you.
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 6:50:00 PM
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You do. For you. Liberal theological relativism. God help us...
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 8:39:11 PM
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KaptZ
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You do. For you. Liberal theological relativism. God help us...
Dang! You win. By reminding me that I am a 'liberal theological relativist' you prevent me from insulting your belief system in turn.
Hey, let's get back to talking about boats! This thread was supposed to be about a boat, right?
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/21/2010 10:39:19 PM
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This thread was supposed to be about a boat, right? No, the OP clearly asked if the breeding pairs on the ark could have resulted in today's biodiversity. The answer is obviously YES, since that is exactly what has happened according to the factually accurate historical account of Noah's Ark!
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/25/2010 1:48:49 PM
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Yes, it could have happened, and did.
It's pretty clear that a God with the capacity to invent DNA and make it exist by the power of His words alone... is fully capable of differentiating DNA beyond a normal breeding pair descendant-tree.
He is obviously free to do so, according to His own decisions about what is right for His world and His people (who would also have a similar after-Noah genetic difficulty... which would be similar to an Adam-and-Eve breeding pair genetic difficulty in the first place).
Edited to add: I do not believe that counting 'generations' back from a known date is a reliable way to date the Noah events, so I am not convinced that 'a few thousand years ago' is the actual time this event occured.
Wow...
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/25/2010 1:50:26 PM
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This thread was supposed to be about a boat, right? No, the OP clearly asked if the breeding pairs on the ark could have resulted in today's biodiversity. The answer is obviously YES, since that is exactly what has happened according to the factually accurate historical account of Noah's Ark!
Look up "circular argument" and/or "begging the question".
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/25/2010 1:59:25 PM
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This thread was supposed to be about a boat, right? No, the OP clearly asked if the breeding pairs on the ark could have resulted in today's biodiversity. The answer is obviously YES, since that is exactly what has happened according to the factually accurate historical account of Noah's Ark!
Look up "circular argument" and/or "begging the question".
The Bible is accurate because it says so in the Bible. How hard is that?
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/25/2010 6:28:26 PM
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Yeah, you tell 'em, cow! 
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/25/2010 7:46:58 PM
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This thread was supposed to be about a boat, right? No, the OP clearly asked if the breeding pairs on the ark could have resulted in today's biodiversity. The answer is obviously YES, since that is exactly what has happened according to the factually accurate historical account of Noah's Ark!
Look up "circular argument" and/or "begging the question".
I don't know if this is the place to do it, but (as apposed to Cow's description of the case for biblical accuracy) there is a good case to be made for the accuracy of the Bible.
But, the YEC case relies on the Bible's account of the history of biodiversity. Obviously, for someone who doesn't believe the bible is a reliable document, that doesn't necessarily answer the question of whether or not it could have happened. I personally have no reason to believe that 4400 years of spreading and speciation isn't enough time for the evolution of all the various tetrapod phenotypes from those represented on the ark. But then, I personally haven't done a study, and I've read no literature on it, so perhaps I'm just relying on background knowledge and bias.
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/29/2010 12:10:07 PM
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The Bible is my reference. Sorry that I haven't let the influence of the world sway me.
of course the world influences you. you live in it. you have parents, a family, presumably a job and home, a computer...the world's influence is inescapable.
i get what you're saying about the Bible, but no one's faith exists in a vacuum. you may use the Bible as a reference, but someone taught you how to read it and interpret it. someone taught you doctrines to accept and interpretations to reject.
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Seriously though, Jesus wasn't the type of guy to be misunderstood. He didn't say, "I may be the truth and the life and your probability of reaching God has a higher chance through me."
most people who met Jesus misunderstood Him. otherwise there wouldn't have been any skeptics and doubters, and the people who crucified Him wouldn't have gone through with it.
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/29/2010 7:20:08 PM
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of course the world influences you. you live in it. you have parents, a family, presumably a job and home, a computer...the world's influence is inescapable.
i get what you're saying about the Bible, but no one's faith exists in a vacuum. you may use the Bible as a reference, but someone taught you how to read it and interpret it. someone taught you doctrines to accept and interpretations to reject.
Very well put Shakezula. How we read the Bible is totally a result of how we were raised and our enviroment. I'll go a little bit farther and say that what religion we choose is likely determined by what area of the world we live in and the enviroment around us.
Good to see you back Shakezula.
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/30/2010 2:05:11 AM
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of course the world influences you. you live in it. you have parents, a family, presumably a job and home, a computer...the world's influence is inescapable.
i get what you're saying about the Bible, but no one's faith exists in a vacuum. you may use the Bible as a reference, but someone taught you how to read it and interpret it. someone taught you doctrines to accept and interpretations to reject.
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Seriously though, Jesus wasn't the type of guy to be misunderstood. He didn't say, "I may be the truth and the life and your probability of reaching God has a higher chance through me."
most people who met Jesus misunderstood Him. otherwise there wouldn't have been any skeptics and doubters, and the people who crucified Him wouldn't have gone through with it.
Now I can see why some doubt the power of God. They can't even differentiate between IN the world and OF the world.
No one taught me how to interperet the Bible. I pray for guidance from God before reading.
Not wanting to believe Jesus and misunderstanding Him are completely different things.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life". Please explain how that is misunderstood. Not how one can doubt it.
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RE: Noahs ark - 6/30/2010 8:05:24 AM
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No one taught me how to interperet the Bible. I pray for guidance from God before reading.
so you have never gone to church, never gone to a Bible study, never spoken to another another Christian about the Bible, never read a book or a website or a forum discussion about the Bible, and you never had a human being involved in any step as you were led to Christ or since you were born again?
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Not wanting to believe Jesus and misunderstanding Him are completely different things.
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life". Please explain how that is misunderstood. Not how one can doubt it.
what about theMatthew 16: 21-23:
"From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!" Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
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RE: Noahs ark - 7/9/2010 2:58:07 AM
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Wow...
Magic!
Hahahaha Creaton FTW.
Sorry but I literally laughed out loud when I read that.
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