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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 3:51:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: everythingat He. And that's the truth. When I was first put on Medicaid, I had to call their office to get the names of some doctors who take it. Twice. And both times, not a single doctor on their list took Medicaid. Why? Because the list had not been updated in years. I finally got a book in the mail with an updated list, most of them on there are at least a 30-45 minute drive. They also don't pay for glasses or contacts after the age of 18. And even then, they only paid up to $120. Still not a single psychiatrist on there...most of them said they don't take it because Medicaid doesn't always want to pay after the visits. It reminds me of a Golden Girls episode where Sophia was left in a hospital elevator while lying in bed. Two lawyers were in the elevator with her and were disgusted by the hospital's malpractice. They asked her what insurance she had, and she said, "Medicaid." The lawyers then immediately backed away and got off on the next floor. rcjames, would you like to pay for me to move? I'm already on disability and Medicaid...don't believe I can afford that. But there are doctors that will take you, and 30 min. is not a bad trip, though I guess having one next door would be handy. There are community services that will pick up 100% disbled folks and take them to the doctor (even shopping) No eyes and teeth are not covered for adults, but doctor's services, hospitals, nursing homes, emergency rooms, skilled nursing facilites, rehabilitation, home care, hospice, and medicenes are covered at no cost nor deductible to the patient. Contact the medicare folks in you area to find a shrink that will accept the insurance. You don't need to move, you need to read up on, and understand the great blessing that you are recieving compliments of the government; a check every month, and free medical. What state do you live in? Thanks RC
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 5:48:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: everythingat He. And that's the truth. When I was first put on Medicaid, I had to call their office to get the names of some doctors who take it. Twice. And both times, not a single doctor on their list took Medicaid. Why? Because the list had not been updated in years. I finally got a book in the mail with an updated list, most of them on there are at least a 30-45 minute drive. They also don't pay for glasses or contacts after the age of 18. And even then, they only paid up to $120. Still not a single psychiatrist on there...most of them said they don't take it because Medicaid doesn't always want to pay after the visits. It reminds me of a Golden Girls episode where Sophia was left in a hospital elevator while lying in bed. Two lawyers were in the elevator with her and were disgusted by the hospital's malpractice. They asked her what insurance she had, and she said, "Medicaid." The lawyers then immediately backed away and got off on the next floor. rcjames, would you like to pay for me to move? I'm already on disability and Medicaid...don't believe I can afford that. But there are doctors that will take you, and 30 min. is not a bad trip, though I guess having one next door would be handy. There are community services that will pick up 100% disbled folks and take them to the doctor (even shopping) No eyes and teeth are not covered for adults, but doctor's services, hospitals, nursing homes, emergency rooms, skilled nursing facilites, rehabilitation, home care, hospice, and medicenes are covered at no cost nor deductible to the patient. Contact the medicare folks in you area to find a shrink that will accept the insurance. You don't need to move, you need to read up on, and understand the great blessing that you are recieving compliments of the government; a check every month, and free medical. What state do you live in? Thanks RC Dentists are accepted, though I don't need one...never had a cavity or a filling. I'm on Medicaid, not Medicare. It is a wonderful blessing...to receive $674 every month and not be able to live on my own. If you're on SSI, which means you've worked less than two years...you get a lesser amount than SS. I never quite understood that, if you're born with a disease that causes you to not be able to work...why do they fault you for that? It obviously isn't to reward those who were able to contribute to society, since the cap is only two years. As I said earlier, medicines do cost money after a while. Not much, but they still cost. I'm not 100% disabled and don't need these community services. But it is almost insulting if I did because I couldn't afford glasses to drive. rcjames, I don't mean to be offensive or a jerk...but it seems clear that you skimmed over my post, cause I already said I contacted Medicaid and there are no "shrinks" that accept it. The only one that does is the mental health clinic. English isn't even the first language of my psychiatrist, and I don't talk to her about anything going on in my life. Because she can't understand me, and I can't understand her. I simply go to the appointment, get refills if needed...and leave. They won't let you change psychiatrists. I had to fight tooth and nail to even get a counselor...they asked me, "What do you need one for?" Hello! My file is right in front of you, cause you're repeating the information that is on it...schizophrenic...disabled? The fact that meds don't work as well unless you're being counseled as well? This was the head therapist I was talking to. I can't go to a different clinic because of my address. I live in South Carolina, by the way. However, it is good that I'm getting some treatment...even if it is minimal. I don't believe in Obamacare...I don't believe in anything he says. I think they should fix the problems we already have before trying to add anything new to it. It's a very flawed system, I don't think what they're proposing is going to fix it. 3cappucinosmom, I have done my research. It's the same here. And it is a shame that there would actually be one plan that would have the nerve to not pay. There are so many scams in this life. It truly is a pity. But...I am in college, I don't want to be on disability and Medicaid for the rest of my life. This fixed income disappears within the first week I get it, then I'm barely making ends meet for the rest of the month.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 7:05:06 PM
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ORIGINAL: everythingat Dentists are accepted, though I don't need one...never had a cavity or a filling. I'm on Medicaid, not Medicare. It is a wonderful blessing...to receive $674 every month and not be able to live on my own. If you're on SSI, which means you've worked less than two years...you get a lesser amount than SS. I never quite understood that, if you're born with a disease that causes you to not be able to work...why do they fault you for that? It obviously isn't to reward those who were able to contribute to society, since the cap is only two years. As I said earlier, medicines do cost money after a while. Not much, but they still cost. I'm not 100% disabled and don't need these community services. But it is almost insulting if I did because I couldn't afford glasses to drive. rcjames, I don't mean to be offensive or a jerk...but it seems clear that you skimmed over my post, cause I already said I contacted Medicaid and there are no "shrinks" that accept it. The only one that does is the mental health clinic. English isn't even the first language of my psychiatrist, and I don't talk to her about anything going on in my life. Because she can't understand me, and I can't understand her. I simply go to the appointment, get refills if needed...and leave. They won't let you change psychiatrists. I had to fight tooth and nail to even get a counselor...they asked me, "What do you need one for?" Hello! My file is right in front of you, cause you're repeating the information that is on it...schizophrenic...disabled? The fact that meds don't work as well unless you're being counseled as well? This was the head therapist I was talking to. I can't go to a different clinic because of my address. I live in South Carolina, by the way. However, it is good that I'm getting some treatment...even if it is minimal. I don't believe in Obamacare...I don't believe in anything he says. I think they should fix the problems we already have before trying to add anything new to it. It's a very flawed system, I don't think what they're proposing is going to fix it. 3cappucinosmom, I have done my research. It's the same here. And it is a shame that there would actually be one plan that would have the nerve to not pay. There are so many scams in this life. It truly is a pity. But...I am in college, I don't want to be on disability and Medicaid for the rest of my life. This fixed income disappears within the first week I get it, then I'm barely making ends meet for the rest of the month. quote:
The only one that does is the mental health clinic. English isn't even the first language of my psychiatrist, and I don't talk to her about anything going on in my life. Because she can't understand me, and I can't understand her. I simply go to the appointment, get refills if needed...and leave Do those refills cost you? And what state did you say you lived in? Thanks RC
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 9:02:06 PM
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Lack of healthcare? Poor people have medicaid; that mean free doctors, free hospitals, free emergency rooms, free testing, and free prescriptions. And yet another myth. There are people in the country who cannot afford healthcare and who do not qualify for medicaid. I really don't understand why the party I use to love and embrace does not get this. Please get your heads out of the sand. I most state, children are covered - but in the state in which I live, the income limit for a family of 7 for medicaid is $700. A MONTH. Yes, there are many problem in society with social equality - but a church should be concerned about preaching the Word of God, not about social matters on either end of the spectrum. If your church is not preaching the Word - that's a reason to leave.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/10/2010 10:04:53 PM
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Wow -- simmer down, all right? No, not really. I'm am seriously not kidding. (Well except for the puppies and kittens bit.) I've really seen firsthand the evil, that's right I said evil, that is the social gospel. Sure let's look at individual programs, evaluate their effectiveness, and go from there. But you have no divine mandate for anything done by Democrats, or Republicans, in the name of helping the poor. And I gotta say that where the government is involved the stench of corruption isn't far behind. Another poster said this: quote:
As for Glen Beck, he's a mormon. Mormonism = heresy. ... those of the Dalai Lama or an Imam. But I've heard Social Gospel types say that they would listen to the Dalai Lama. And that Buddism is compatible with Christianity. But look at this article, which I think makes a good point. http://www.breakpoint.org/features-columns/breakpoint-columns/entry/2/8149 In my opinion the social gospel becomes a sort of let them-eat-cake sprituality. It's like botox to Christianity, look at me, look at my great works, but they didn't do a-n-y-t-h-i-n-g. They just talked someone else into doing something. As for Beck being a Mormon and a social justice/social gospel/liberation theology type like say Rev Wright, and his famous protoge. They are both heretics.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 7:22:17 AM
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I hate to give the devil his due but Mormons do give a very high percentage of their income: quote:
Utahns give far more of their income to charity than any other Americans, a Deseret News study of Internal Revenue Service tax data shows. Utahns reported providing $2.9 billion to charity in 2006, or 5 percent of their adjusted gross income. Nationally, Americans gave an average of 2.3 percent of their income that year ? or less than half of what Utahns provided. Economists, politicians and officers of nonprofits say most Utah donations go to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon), which tackles many of the state's charitable needs. http://www.allbusiness.com/society-social/philanthropy-grants-gifts/12839861-1.html
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 7:36:55 AM
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What good is your giving if it's all in vain?
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 7:43:04 AM
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1 Social justice and what it means has absolutely nothing to do with true christianity. You are so right; Social Justice, Revolution Theology, Social Theology, and Economic Theology have nothing, and I mean nothing to do with being a Christian. Thanks RC Amen to that rc! -charles
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 7:45:47 AM
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ORIGINAL: buckifn What good is your giving if it's all in vain? I'm thinking why should those giving in vain be more charitable about it then those giving for eternity?
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:15:23 AM
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I know I am going to get flamed (pours gasoline over myself), but first of all I’m not going to listen to anyone who subscribes to the Mormon Church. Second of all Glen Beck has no concept of history and barely has a concept of scripture. From a historical context, if it was not for Church’s in the 50’s and 60’s there would not have been a civil rights movement. That was social justice. So is he saying church’s back then should have stayed out of it watch the atrocities of Jim Crow continue to happen? Is he saying churches should have ignored trying to help those like my mother, her parents, and her siblings who were under the oppression of Jim Crow to be able to have equal rights? Let’s go back even further, Church’s were extremely involved in the abolition of slavery and helping slaves to escape and gain freedom. That falls under the umbrella of social justice. So is he saying that the church should not have gotten involved and closed their eyes to the brutality of slavery? If it was not for some churches there would not have been a Hampton University, Howard University, Shaw University, St. Augustine University, Livingstone College, Morehouse College, Spelman College, Bennett College, Virginia Union and others places of higher education that gave former slaves an opportunity to get a college education when other places of higher learning refuse to accept them. That’s social justice. I don’t think I want to be part of church that does not do anything to help when the community around it is struggling. Since I have been to my church I have seen souls by the thousands saved by the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We help the surrounding community by our giving of food, clothes, shelter and sometimes money. Even in our overseas missions in countries where social injustices are spreading like a disease, we help people try to overcome those injustices through the gospel of Jesus Christ. Is the whole point of spiritual change once you have received the Holy Spirit is to bring about social and community change by spreading the gospel and helping others? If there is social injustice should we not as a church get involved? Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, “An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. I agree with this statement. What is so wrong about that? See the typical knee jerk reaction to his comments would be, “YES! We agree. Social Justice is Socialism”. So maybe we need a definition of Social Justice (hands you all a match).
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:33:29 AM
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Panem et circenses! Panem et circenses!
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:54:46 AM
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They believe they ARE giving for eternity. It's a "religion" of works. quote:
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ORIGINAL: buckifn What good is your giving if it's all in vain? I'm thinking why should those giving in vain be more charitable about it then those giving for eternity?
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:58:43 AM
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....So maybe we need a definition of Social Justice Micah 6:8 (New International Version) 8 He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 10:36:35 AM
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ORIGINAL: ken1906_4 I know I am going to get flamed (pours gasoline over myself), but first of all I’m not going to listen to anyone who subscribes to the Mormon Church. Second of all Glen Beck has no concept of history and barely has a concept of scripture. From a historical context, if it was not for Church’s in the 50’s and 60’s there would not have been a civil rights movement. That was social justice. So is he saying church’s back then should have stayed out of it watch the atrocities of Jim Crow continue to happen? Is he saying churches should have ignored trying to help those like my mother, her parents, and her siblings who were under the oppression of Jim Crow to be able to have equal rights? Let’s go back even further, Church’s were extremely involved in the abolition of slavery and helping slaves to escape and gain freedom. That falls under the umbrella of social justice. So is he saying that the church should not have gotten involved and closed their eyes to the brutality of slavery? If it was not for some churches there would not have been a Hampton University, Howard University, Shaw University, St. Augustine University, Livingstone College, Morehouse College, Spelman College, Bennett College, Virginia Union and others places of higher education that gave former slaves an opportunity to get a college education when other places of higher learning refuse to accept them. That’s social justice. I don’t think I want to be part of church that does not do anything to help when the community around it is struggling. Since I have been to my church I have seen souls by the thousands saved by the gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. We help the surrounding community by our giving of food, clothes, shelter and sometimes money. Even in our overseas missions in countries where social injustices are spreading like a disease, we help people try to overcome those injustices through the gospel of Jesus Christ. Is the whole point of spiritual change once you have received the Holy Spirit is to bring about social and community change by spreading the gospel and helping others? If there is social injustice should we not as a church get involved? Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, “An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere”. I agree with this statement. What is so wrong about that? See the typical knee jerk reaction to his comments would be, “YES! We agree. Social Justice is Socialism”. So maybe we need a definition of Social Justice (hands you all a match). I totally agree with this post
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 11:02:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: ken1906_4 I know I am going to get flamed (pours gasoline over myself), but first of all I’m not going to listen to anyone who subscribes to the Mormon Church. And yet you listen to someone who subscreibes to the Trinity United Chruch of Christ. Interesting. Thanks RC
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 11:39:48 AM
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We really don't know the intention of their heart in giving. I think it would be best to leave that to God. The point is we who are the body of believer's should be the biggest giver's of all.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 11:47:16 AM
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ORIGINAL: buckifn We really don't know the intention of their heart in giving. I think it would be best to leave that to God. The point is we who are the body of believer's should be the biggest giver's of all. And I say that we do not know the heart of Glen Beck either. I don't think that we can judge someone "Unsaved" because of where they attend Chruch. Now I agree that the Mormons are really far off base and do not teach true salvation, but that does not mean that everyone who sits in their pews are lost. I have two ex-mormon families in my congregation, and when they came in the door they were saved already. They stated that the last couple of years had been a real challenge for them to stay in the Mormon Church, for they came to realize that what was being taught was in error. Thanks RC
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 12:52:21 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames quote:
ORIGINAL: buckifn We really don't know the intention of their heart in giving. I think it would be best to leave that to God. The point is we who are the body of believer's should be the biggest giver's of all. And I say that we do not know the heart of Glen Beck either. I don't think that we can judge someone "Unsaved" because of where they attend Chruch. Now I agree that the Mormons are really far off base and do not teach true salvation, but that does not mean that everyone who sits in their pews are lost. I have two ex-mormon families in my congregation, and when they came in the door they were saved already. They stated that the last couple of years had been a real challenge for them to stay in the Mormon Church, for they came to realize that what was being taught was in error. Thanks RC Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 1:12:37 PM
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What Beck's false beliefs as a Mormon, he is absolutely right in this. He is right in that "Social justice and economic justice, they are code words". Go and browse Sojourners for a while, and you'll see how whacked it is. Read progressives and emergents like McLaren and Borg, and you'll see how bad the theology coming from these people is.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 1:34:04 PM
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ORIGINAL: jazzact13 What Beck's false beliefs as a Mormon, he is absolutely right in this. He is right in that "Social justice and economic justice, they are code words". Go and browse Sojourners for a while, and you'll see how whacked it is. Read progressives and emergents like McLaren and Borg, and you'll see how bad the theology coming from these people is. Is that long thread on the emergent church still available in the theology forums? It had some good information that is "relevant" to the discussion in it.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 2:01:23 PM
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Can someone point me in the direction of a church that has this in their doctrine? Forgive me for being ignorant but I have no clue where to start looking up the kinds of churches he is talking about.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 2:11:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcjames And I say that we do not know the heart of Glen Beck either. I don't think that we can judge someone "Unsaved" because of where they attend Chruch. Does this apply to JW? Muslims? Jews? Hindus? Mormonism has as much to do with Jesus as Hinduism. quote:
Now I agree that the Mormons are really far off base and do not teach true salvation, but that does not mean that everyone who sits in their pews are lost. That's a very graceful position to take towards them. Certainly you feel the same way about other groups of heretics? I bet you could even say the same about Emergent Churches and Social Justice people.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 2:45:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj Can someone point me in the direction of a church that has this in their doctrine? Forgive me for being ignorant but I have no clue where to start looking up the kinds of churches he is talking about. Pyromaniacs has a lot of information about the emergent church movement. They did a great series of POMOtivator posters that highlights the various doctrines long before Glenn Beck mentioned this. At the bottom of the page is a link to the blog where they discuss it.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 2:56:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: rlj Can someone point me in the direction of a church that has this in their doctrine? Forgive me for being ignorant but I have no clue where to start looking up the kinds of churches he is talking about. Pyromaniacs has a lot of information about the emergent church movement. They did a great series of POMOtivator posters that highlights the various doctrines long before Glenn Beck mentioned this. At the bottom of the page is a link to the blog where they discuss it. I don't see how those posters are any better than the people they're making fun of. Replace "conservative" with "liberal" and "elderly lady" with "hippie" and a good chunk of those are just as much an indictment of traditional church organizations. And overall, it demonstrates a failure to honestly hear people out. They might have some really good points to make about the emergent movement or more liberal churches, but I simply don't have time to read the condemning and theological grandstanding of jerks.
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