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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/13/2010 5:42:07 PM
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Evolution is a tax subsidized fairy tale.
It in not scientific since it is non verifiable. No one was there to witness it.
Most hard core evolutionists don't want to be accountable to a Higher Power.
Creation cries out a Creator.
Our boys have Legos & they sit in a box until a creator decides to create something out of them.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/13/2010 10:11:50 PM
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Evolution is a tax subsidized fairy tale.
It in not scientific since it is non verifiable. No one was there to witness it.
Most hard core evolutionists don't want to be accountable to a Higher Power.
Creation cries out a Creator.
Our boys have Legos & they sit in a box until a creator decides to create something out of them.
Not only that but someone had to design and make the Lego pieces themselves. Unless they evolved from random mutations and natural selection of hydrocarbon polymers over zillions of years... 
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/14/2010 12:10:13 AM
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It in not scientific since it is non verifiable. No one was there to witness it.
Often times there is no one around to witness a murder, does that mean Forensics is not scientific?
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Creation cries out a Creator.
How so?
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Our boys have Legos & they sit in a box until a creator decides to create something out of them.
That's an extraordinarily bad analogy.
Legos are not capable of doing anything without an outside influence, whereas chemical reactions don't need an intelligent influence to occur.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Dante
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/14/2010 12:32:37 AM
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- There is no evidence of modern things changing into other things. Even an observation of tens of thousands of generations of fruit flies reveals what everyone knows if they are honest: they are still nothing other than fruit flies.
Uhhh... and?
Are you still under the false impression that evolution says that flies will turn into elephants? Cuz that's just silly.
Absolutely right. Evolution's claims are silly.
What, elephants were always elephants? That's the creationist view, you know. If your fairy tale of evolution is true, elephants had to have come from some primitive form, just like all of the thousands and thousands of other living creatures. Your position forces you to follow a regression all the way back to simple proteins, and then forces you to explain how living "stuff" came from non-living "stuff", which of course you can't.
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- There is no evidence of ancient things changing into other things. The fossil record remains an embarrassing epic fail for evolution.
What are your thoughts on the fossil record of horse evolution?
My thoughts are that horses were always horses and didn't come from goo.
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- There is no evidence that life can ever come from non-life.... except when an outside intelligence is involved.... and even those results are questionable.
This is unrelated to the theory of evolution, and the formation of amino acids by purely natural methods is well established.
It is completely related to evolution because in order for evolution to be you have to regress alllll the way back to the simplest functional proteins (or whatever biological "stuff" you want to appeal to) and then explain how THAT life came from non-life.
And no, the formation of amino acids by "purely natural means" is NOT well established. That is a weak sauce claim and you know it. And even if I were wrong, there is NO EVIDENCE of amino acids ever becoming more advanced somethings. Your fairy tale still dies a horrible death even if amino acids spontaneously form "naturally".
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And yet, evolutionists pitifully cling to the belief that someday, somewhere, some mechanism will be discovered that validates their currently fictitious beliefs.
The mechanism has already been discovered. Lol
Oh yes. I forgot your versions of "Goddidit": "Evolution did it" and "it just happened" and "time plus chance".
Too bad none of those things has ever been observed or repeated, eh? Too bad the exact opposite (complex, novel structures mutating and degenerating into less functional, species "evolving" themselves right into extinction) is what the observation of reality reveals happening, eh?
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On the other hand, we have Christianity with its historically validated Scriptures (none of which have been proved false historically, archaeologically, or scientifically)
The astounding lack of evidence for a great Davidian Kingdom, the Deluge, and Hebrew slaves in Egypt comes to mind.
There is an amazing amount of evidence for all of the things you just mentioned, constantly reinforced by new archaeological and geological discoveries. But then, I don't expect you to admit it since doing so is contrary to your faith.
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the fact that nature appears to be intelligently designed
Subjective assertion. The fact that you can't objectively describe such design seems to counterpoint your case.
In observable reality, things that are designed always have a designer. Pretty much everything in nature appears to be designed, demanding a designer.
I just happen to know Him by name.
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Actually, the number of observed generations of mutated fruit flies is now approaching 1.5 million! No novel complex tissues or structures, no evolving into version 2.0, no evidence of evolution whatsoever. Just sick fruit flies...
Source?
Dante
Look it up yourself if you don't believe me or Doc.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/14/2010 12:41:49 AM
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Creation cries out a Creator.
How so?
Can you produce for us something that was created without a creator? Something that was designed without a designer?
Case closed.
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Our boys have Legos & they sit in a box until a creator decides to create something out of them.
That's an extraordinarily bad analogy.
Legos are not capable of doing anything without an outside influence, whereas chemical reactions don't need an intelligent influence to occur.
Fail. Chemical reactions don't need an intelligent designer to occur, but they do need an intelligent designer to 1) make them in the first place, 2) make the laws that govern their interactions, which 3) allows the chemicals to do what they do.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/14/2010 3:41:43 PM
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Dante_Alighieri
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If your fairy tale of evolution is true, elephants had to have come from some primitive form, just like all of the thousands and thousands of other living creatures.
Yes, but elephants didn't just appear all of the sudden from another species. There was a gradual change in the genetics of another population till the two populations speciated.
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Your position forces you to follow a regression all the way back to simple proteins, and then forces you to explain how living "stuff" came from non-living "stuff", which of course you can't.
You're correct. I cannot explain exactly how living matter came from nonliving matter. Science may never be able to fully explain exactly how life arose. But we keep looking for the answers.
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My thoughts are that horses were always horses and didn't come from goo.
Did you know the fossil record of the evolution of the horse is well established?
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It is completely related to evolution because in order for evolution to be you have to regress alllll the way back to the simplest functional proteins (or whatever biological "stuff" you want to appeal to) and then explain how THAT life came from non-life.
No, you don't. Evolution seeks to explain the origin of species, nothing more.
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And no, the formation of amino acids by "purely natural means" is NOT well established. That is a weak sauce claim and you know it.
Would you like me to give you some links to the numerous articles that say otherwise? Will you still insist that it is "not well established" and a "weak sauce claim" if I were to provide you with the proof?
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And even if I were wrong, there is NO EVIDENCE of amino acids ever becoming more advanced somethings.
Amino acids are the building blocks of life.
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Too bad none of those things has ever been observed or repeated, eh?
I can see this is going in a circular pattern. Irregardless of the numerous examples both I and many others have already provided you still insist otherwise. I suppose it is easier to just say "no, not true" than to refute actual evidence, but it really does not provide for meaningful discourse.
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Too bad the exact opposite (complex, novel structures mutating and degenerating into less functional, species "evolving" themselves right into extinction) is what the observation of reality reveals happening, eh?
If that is the case, then it is an extraordinarily bad case of "intelligent design." Just what kind of intelligent designer would create such a self-destructive system? I can only infer an impotent one.
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There is an amazing amount of evidence for all of the things you just mentioned, constantly reinforced by new archaeological and geological discoveries.
Could you describe some of the evidence to me? Preferably with links.
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In observable reality, things that are designed always have a designer.
But not everything is designed.
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Pretty much everything in nature appears to be designed, demanding a designer.
Rocks appear to be designed?
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Can you produce for us something that was created without a creator?
Yes. Rocks. Trees. The earth.
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but they do need an intelligent designer to 1) make them in the first place, 2) make the laws that govern their interactions
Prove it.
Dante
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/17/2010 10:36:50 AM
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It in not scientific since it is non verifiable. No one was there to witness it.
Often times there is no one around to witness a murder, does that mean Forensics is not scientific?
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Creation cries out a Creator.
How so?
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Our boys have Legos & they sit in a box until a creator decides to create something out of them.
That's an extraordinarily bad analogy.
Legos are not capable of doing anything without an outside influence, whereas chemical reactions don't need an intelligent influence to occur.
You're comparing apples to oranges.
Dante
You appear to have wasted your efforts.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/17/2010 8:19:38 PM
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Argument ender right here:
If evolution were NOT a religion/faith, then people would NOT put bumper stickers on their car supporting Darwinism. They do so because, just like religion, it is a central aspect of their life and is the faith--yes faith--by which they see the world.
End of thread. See ya later.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/17/2010 8:43:57 PM
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So people who put bumper stickers on their car supporting the troops, worship the troops.. or war?
What about people with McCain/Palin bumper stickers?
The thread continues...
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/17/2010 10:05:14 PM
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So people who put bumper stickers on their car supporting the troops, worship the troops.. or war?
What about people with McCain/Palin bumper stickers?
The thread continues...
Supporting the troops and/or a presidential candidate is often a reflection of some philosophy which might be based upon religion. Science, on the other hand, should be neutral and merely observational. Once it passes this point, it becomes unified with philosophy and faith. Non-religious people tell us Christians to stay out of "secular" affairs. So why don't the Darwinist scientists stay out of religious affairs? Double standard here.
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/17/2010 10:15:51 PM
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Do you not think that perhaps the stickers are in support of science and the scientific community and that they wish for faiths (of whatever kind) to stay out?
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/18/2010 2:37:19 AM
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ManimalX
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If your fairy tale of evolution is true, elephants had to have come from some primitive form, just like all of the thousands and thousands of other living creatures.
Yes, but elephants didn't just appear all of the sudden from another species. There was a gradual change in the genetics of another population till the two populations speciated.
That's a nice bedtime story. Too bad "a gradual change in the genetics of another population till the two populations speciated" has never been observed or repeated and exists only in the imaginations of evolutionists.
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Your position forces you to follow a regression all the way back to simple proteins, and then forces you to explain how living "stuff" came from non-living "stuff", which of course you can't.
You're correct. I cannot explain exactly how living matter came from nonliving matter. Science may never be able to fully explain exactly how life arose. But we keep looking for the answers.
I'm nearly speechless, but not quite. You admit to blind faith, but then mock Christians for blind faith. Hi Pot, have you met Kettle?
This is nothing but a crystal clear admission of how evolution relies on blind faith.
At least you are honest.
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My thoughts are that horses were always horses and didn't come from goo.
Did you know the fossil record of the evolution of the horse is well established?
My thoughts are that horses were always horses and didn't come from goo.
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It is completely related to evolution because in order for evolution to be you have to regress alllll the way back to the simplest functional proteins (or whatever biological "stuff" you want to appeal to) and then explain how THAT life came from non-life.
No, you don't. Evolution seeks to explain the origin of species, nothing more.
So the ORIGIN of species doesn't involve life coming from non-life?!? That's funny.
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And no, the formation of amino acids by "purely natural means" is NOT well established. That is a weak sauce claim and you know it.
Would you like me to give you some links to the numerous articles that say otherwise? Will you still insist that it is "not well established" and a "weak sauce claim" if I were to provide you with the proof?
Have at it. All you are going to provide are experiments that show OUTSIDE INTELLIGENT AGENTS manipulating the environment to achieve desired results.
But go ahead if you want.
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And even if I were wrong, there is NO EVIDENCE of amino acids ever becoming more advanced somethings.
Amino acids are the building blocks of life.
Yeah, great. That is fantastic. Amino acids are the "building blocks of life". Now, prove that they can form naturally and then mutate into more advanced life forms.
*chirp chirp*
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Too bad none of those things has ever been observed or repeated, eh?
I can see this is going in a circular pattern. Irregardless of the numerous examples both I and many others have already provided you still insist otherwise. I suppose it is easier to just say "no, not true" than to refute actual evidence, but it really does not provide for meaningful discourse.
Yeah, very circular. You make some preposterous claim of some mechanic that has never been observed or repeated, and I have to call you out on how silly your claims are. Over and over. Crimson and clover.
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Too bad the exact opposite (complex, novel structures mutating and degenerating into less functional, species "evolving" themselves right into extinction) is what the observation of reality reveals happening, eh?
If that is the case, then it is an extraordinarily bad case of "intelligent design." Just what kind of intelligent designer would create such a self-destructive system? I can only infer an impotent one.
Not something I expect you to understand, since it is spiritually discerned and you are spiritually dead, but this relates to the corruption that entered Creation due to the Fall.
God made all things "very good," and will eventually (likely very soon, but that is my personal eschatological opinion) renew and restore the Creation that "waits and groans" to its intended form and function.
Yeah, that's all based on my magic book. 
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There is an amazing amount of evidence for all of the things you just mentioned, constantly reinforced by new archaeological and geological discoveries.
Could you describe some of the evidence to me? Preferably with links.
Yes, I could. But I will need to find the time. Right now all I have time for is a 10 minutes here and there to poke holes in the fiction of evolution.
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In observable reality, things that are designed always have a designer.
But not everything is designed.
A matter of opinion.
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Pretty much everything in nature appears to be designed, demanding a designer.
Rocks appear to be designed?
Yep.
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Can you produce for us something that was created without a creator?
Yes. Rocks. Trees. The earth.
I asked for things that were created without a creator. All you provided were things that beg for one.
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but they do need an intelligent designer to 1) make them in the first place, 2) make the laws that govern their interactions
Prove it.
Dante
Right after you prove the fictitious account of evolution.
*chirp chirp*
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RE: EvolutionISM is a religion - 3/26/2010 9:05:27 AM
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So people who put bumper stickers on their car supporting the troops, worship the troops.. or war?
What about people with McCain/Palin bumper stickers?
The thread continues...
I know, how ridiculous...
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