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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/18/2008 3:46:03 PM
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stampinlady
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Maybe we have to ask, "When did sin and death enter the picture?"
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/18/2008 9:28:49 PM
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ot4christ
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Maybe we have to ask, "When did sin and death enter the picture?"
Let me guess, September 26, 4004 BC?
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/22/2008 11:15:24 AM
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mikeman2
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Any biblical information that support that God created the Earth in a 24hr day that we all live in now? Maybe God could have sped up/slowed down the rate at which the Earth moves now?
*Curious thinking led to the question
A good book to read is "Genesis and the Big Bang" by Dr Gerald Schroeder. As we all know, time is relative to such things as perspective and influenced by such things as speed and mass. Before man was created there are issues with the time line given in Genesis in relation to that of science, however, after man was created the time line is acceptable. Perhaps this is enough to spark your curiosity and go read the book!!
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/29/2008 3:30:19 PM
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Robert_G
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Why do people continue to let scripture compliment science?
Science compliments scripture, not the other way around
The 5 books of Moses were written to people with very little edcuation. They are all written in the 'historical narrative' context, meaning there is very little room for figurative language. In fact, anything considered figurative in these books is usually more poetic then anything.
For example in Genesis 4:10
10 The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground.
This is highly poetic, and no one would mistake this as literal...nonetheless Able was a real person and he was murdered by his brother Cain.
But God simply said to his uneducated people in a plain, easy-to-understand language.... that his creation was 6 days long.
And just in case we didn't understand that simple fact, he adds "there was evening, and there was morning"
Its so rediculously simple to understand. There is no symbolic or figurative language here.
Why can't Christians just let scripture say what it says....especially historically narrative passages.
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/29/2008 3:49:49 PM
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benelchi
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The 5 books of Moses were written to people with very little edcuation. They are all written in the 'historical narrative' context, meaning there is very little room for figurative language. In fact, anything considered figurative in these books is usually more poetic then anything.
The whole premise for your argument is wrong. The 5 books of Moses were not written entirely in 'historical narrative'. Within the pages of these five books almost every style of Hebrew literature is present. The opening portion in Genesis is written in prose, not 'historical narrative'. The claim you have made is not supported by Hebrew scholars (not even by the secular Hebrew scholars who have no stake in this debate).
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/29/2008 10:06:09 PM
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Robert_G
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The 5 books of Moses were written to people with very little edcuation. They are all written in the 'historical narrative' context, meaning there is very little room for figurative language. In fact, anything considered figurative in these books is usually more poetic then anything.
The whole premise for your argument is wrong. The 5 books of Moses were not written entirely in 'historical narrative'. Within the pages of these five books almost every style of Hebrew literature is present. The opening portion in Genesis is written in prose, not 'historical narrative'. The claim you have made is not supported by Hebrew scholars (not even by the secular Hebrew scholars who have no stake in this debate).
Um...'prose' basically means straight forward or easy to understand....which is exactly what I just said. You know....no hidden meanings, etc, etc....
I don't see how something written in prose can be in contradiction with 'historical narrative'.
And on top of that, I already pointed out how easy poetic/figurative language is to find in the first 5 books of the bible. Anything figurative (or poetic) in Genesis through Deut is usually staring you right in the face.
The book of Genesis should be taken for what it says...not what some people try to squeeze out of it.
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/29/2008 10:18:54 PM
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benelchi
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The 5 books of Moses were written to people with very little edcuation. They are all written in the 'historical narrative' context, meaning there is very little room for figurative language. In fact, anything considered figurative in these books is usually more poetic then anything.
The whole premise for your argument is wrong. The 5 books of Moses were not written entirely in 'historical narrative'. Within the pages of these five books almost every style of Hebrew literature is present. The opening portion in Genesis is written in prose, not 'historical narrative'. The claim you have made is not supported by Hebrew scholars (not even by the secular Hebrew scholars who have no stake in this debate).
Um...'prose' basically means straight forward or easy to understand....which is exactly what I just said. You know....no hidden meanings, etc, etc....
I don't see how something written in prose can be in contradiction with 'historical narrative'.
And on top of that, I already pointed out how easy poetic/figurative language is to find in the first 5 books of the bible. Anything figurative (or poetic) in Genesis through Deut is usually staring you right in the face.
The book of Genesis should be taken for what it says...not what some people try to squeeze out of it.
I should have been more specific, it is a prose poem i.e. it carries the rhyme and meter of Hebrew poetry but lacks the parallelism that typifies poetic passages.
Scholars who disagree with your interpretation of this passage would say that they are "taking it for what it says" and not what some people try to squeeze out of it.
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/30/2008 12:53:26 AM
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Robert_G
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Scholars who disagree with your interpretation
At least you are acknowledging there are also scholars who agree with my interpretation. I can assure you there are many who do.
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RE: Earth Creation - 24hr Days - 11/30/2008 9:26:28 AM
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benelchi
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Scholars who disagree with your interpretation
At least you are acknowledging there are also scholars who agree with my interpretation. I can assure you there are many who do.
First, I have NEVER said anything different in regards to your interpretation but only in regards to your characterization of the Hebrew text. Even the Hebrew scholars who agree with your interpretation still would disagree with your characterization of the text.
Second, most biblical scholars, regardless of their point of view, do understand the merits of the arguments made by those who disagree with them i.e. they would still refrain from making statements like "Its so ridiculously simple to understand." because they have studied these passages enough to recognize the difficulties involved in interpreting these passages. So while it is true that some scholars do agree with your interpretation, they seldom present it with the same kind of dogmatism you have. It is "ridiculously simple" only to those who have not taken enough time to understand the complexities involved in biblical interpretation. Thankfully, the men and women who have been involved in the translation of your English bible have recognized these complexities; the accuracy of our English translations is the result of those that have recognized the complexities of an accurate interpretation and have devoted their lives to the study of these complexities. It is these men God has chosen to protect his word (in English). While there truly are many "simple truths" in the bible, most people would not be able to see or recognize them without the devotion and help of those biblical scholars who have presented them in English, so when those scholars do not believe the interpretation of a passage is "ridiculously simple", we should stop and listen to what they have to say and carefully evaluate the evidence for our position and graciously acknowledge the validity of interpretations that disagree with our own.
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